Sign up for the CoolStuffInc mailing lists and win prizes! XMTG - An awesome webcomic about: Magic the Gathering, Philosophy and Geekery

DCI & WPN News

Gindy DQed from Worlds, USA Team done

Update: The official story has been published by Wizards concerning the disqualification. Read the full explanation here.

Original Story: Word came out at approximately 11:30 EST from Evan Erwin’s twitter account that US Team member, Charles Gindy had been disqualified from Worlds for ‘Fraud.’

Charles GindyCharles Gindy first reached major attention for Magic by winning Pro Tour Hollywood in 2008. He has remained on and active on the Pro Tour since, parlaying his success into playing competitive poker as well. He placed high at the US National competition earning a spot among the top 3 and a slot in the US Team for the 2009 World championships in Rome.

News of his disqualification led to much anger and upset from the Magic twitterverse with one twitter user saying they had lost all respect for him, and several more decrying the fact that this was the end of the US chances to win the team competition.

Again this is alleged and unconfirmed at this time, we’re waiting for an official report to be issued. The Disqualification has been confirmed, but the ruling and reason has not yet. We will update as we receive more information.

The official rules for ‘Fraud’ are as follows:

Definition

A person intentionally and knowingly violates or misrepresents rules, procedures, personal information, or any other relevant tournament information. Note that Fraud, like most cheating, is determined by an investigation and will often appear on the surface as a Game Play Error or Tournament Error.
Additionally, it is Fraud if a player (or teammate) notices an offense in their match and does not immediately call attention to it.

Examples

  • A player enters a tournament under an assumed name and/or using a different DCI number in an attempt to manipulate ratings.
  • A player alters the results of a match after the match is over.
  • A player lies to a tournament official to gain or keep an advantage.
  • A player lies to his opponent about his life total.
  • A player observes his opponent or teammate make an illegal play but does not call a judge because it is to his advantage.
  • A spectator gives false or misleading information to a tournament official that helps another player to cheat.

Clearly some of these examples are not applicable, and the official report has not been announced but it is believed that Gindy was guilty of misrepresenting game state. Fraud, at all Rule Enforcement Levels is a disqualification, and this was clearly even more important.

Update 2:
Based on the official write up from Wizards website here is our understanding of the events and what went on.

  1. Gindy used his Master of the Wild Hunt and wolf tokens to tap and deal 5 damage to target creature his opponent controlled, killing it.
  2. His opponent Antoine Menard did not assign the reciprocal lethal damage to any of the wolves and Gindy did not respond or act in any way to alert his opponent about the missed action. The Master’s ability is not a may, and thus cannot be passed over.
  3. After the game he asked his opponent why he had not assigned any damage, representing his own knowledge that it should have happened and providing proof that he realized it had been missed.

Another example provided by DCI Judge Sheldon Menery:

If you attack with a Silvercoat Lion, and your opponent blocks with a Glory Seeker that should not die in the combat due to Veteran Armorsmith that is on your opponent’s side of the battlefield, you have a responsibility to let your opponent know—if they try to put their creature in the graveyard—that it has not taken lethal damage. Willfully failing to do so is Fraud, and will result in the same penalty that Gindy received: Disqualification.
Use this short url for linking:

Discuss this Article

Comments are disallowed for this post.

  1. From everything I am hearing on various sites, I guess it involved a misrepresentation of Game State involving Master of the Wild Hunt, but we are waiting to hear for sure.

    TheCounterGuy | November 19, 2009, 1:54 pm | #
  2. that sucks! gindy gets hit in the face while kibler walks free

    KT | November 19, 2009, 6:53 pm | #
  3. I guess it depends what exactly he said, but I don’t see how the post-game question proves he was aware of (and “intentionally allowed”) a misplay at the time it occurred during the game.

    JJ | November 19, 2009, 10:16 pm | #
  4. WOW! How hypocritcal can Magic get. Brain Kibler wins a pro tour without having a legal target available and Gindy gets Disqualified from worlds for the same thing. I’m so glad there is so much consistancy in Magic. It really makes me want to play in tournaments. Hopefully, I’ll get a judge thats on my side since Magic is a competition of who you know not how you play.

    ryantc1983 | November 20, 2009, 9:32 am | #
  5. I will now quit playing Magic in protest of this unbelievable aweful hypocritcal ruling. Magic judges are all hypocrites and should be fired. Way to go Wizards for loosing fan support.

    John Paul VD | November 20, 2009, 9:38 am | #
  6. Re: comparisons between the situation at Austin vs Worlds, I’ll quote another judge on the subject:

    “Oh, so you’re psychic and know all the details of each situation? Astounding! Don’t start with your armchair judging without access to all the facts of the situation and discussion with the players.

    “Even with the scant information, the situations are already very different: the biggest difference being that Kibler’s mistake was noticed after the tournament was over and done with.”

    Also, Master of the Wild Hunt was Gindy’s card. It was in his deck. It is therefore difficult to credit the idea that he does not know how his card works. Angel of Despair was Kibler’s opponent’s card, and it is therefore more plausible that the missed trigger was a legitimate mistake.

    David Zimet | November 20, 2009, 1:41 pm | #
  7. So, Gindy got DQed because Kibler didn’t know the rules…

    JD | December 10, 2009, 1:54 pm | #
  8. No JD, Gindy played against Antoine Menard not Kibler. Menard didn’t assign combat damage and Gindy was dq’ed for it. Seems pretty janky to me.

    Adam | December 19, 2009, 2:43 pm | #
  9. Something like this happened to me once. I was playing in a Type 2 tournament during Tempest/Urza blocks, running a WW deck. I had Soltari Priest and Worship in play slowly picking my opponent to death. He was running G/R Zoo and played Earthquake for 3 on his turn. I put my Priest in the graveyard for some dumb reason, failing to realize it had protection red. I realized my mistake one turn later but my opponent said it was too late. I was naive and inexperienced so I thought thats how the rules worked. It was DCI sanctioned so I should have called a judge over. I didn’t and ended up losing. It was the semi-finals match and I got 4th place…. just outside of the prize range. My opponent that cheated got 3rd and I had to watch him get the prize. I’ve been bitter about tournaments ever since. Remember kids if you ever have a situation best to just call a judge over I could have made it into the top 3 in my very first tournament had I got a judge involved. I’m glad Gindy got dq’ed because he cheated. Lame.

    Adam | December 19, 2009, 2:54 pm | #
  10. Nobody can compare this to Kibler and think that the judges are being unfair. What Gindy did was clearly view his opponent make a mistake that benefited Gindy, and said nothing. After the game he admits to noticing the mistake in what was surely a piff of arrogance. Gindy deserves to be disqualified, end of story.

    Steve Gallant | May 8, 2010, 11:06 pm | #
  • Magic the Gathering RSS Feed for ManaNation.com ManaNation's Magic the Gathering twitter feed ManaNation.com on Facebook
  • Scars of Mirrodin Spoilers
  • Magic Weekends Schedule for 2011
  • Our Twitter